Sunday, April 5, 2009

The Facts of Life

There is a G-d.
Look around you…the evidence is overwhelming. From the intricate inner workings of your own body to the skies above to the uttermost expanse of the universe, the proof of a living G-d is there.

G-d is One.
Regardless of what men say, there is no trinity, there are no multiple gods. There is only one G-d. He manifests himself in many ways. In fact, the concept of the trinity confines or limits G-d to three persons. G-d is infinite but decides to reveal himself to us in one of three manners, the Father, the Son or his Holy Spirit. These are manifestations of one G-d, not three separate persons as taught in the church today.

G-d made man.G-d made man in his own image and as with G-d, we are also one person manifested in many ways. Within this time – space which we live, we are manifested as body, mind, spirit and soul.

Man is unique and is responsible and accountable for his own actions.
G-d gave man sovereignty, authority over his own life and existence. Man is the only sentient, self aware and self conscious living creature on the planet earth. The rest of creation is for man to rule over. Man is given responsibility over all the earth.

The will of G-d is the Law.
Whatever G-d says is the Law of G-d. The Law of G-d are the rules of life. You may not feel like obeying the rules, but that doesn’t make them go away or your responsibility to follow them. Whatever man does or thinks, he will be judged according to the Law of G-d.

Sin is breaking G-ds Law.
Disobeying God, in the slightest, is sin.

G-d is Holy.God is completely and utterly perfect. In as such, G-d cannot exist in the same dimension where disobedience, sin, is present.

Sin separated man from G-d.Not soon after his creation, man disobeyed G-d. This has caused an everlasting chasm or separation between sinful man and G-d.

G-ds Law indicates that there must be a payment for sin.
The price for sin is death. All men will die for the sins they have committed. Because of our sins, our physical body will die. In fact, we are dying at this moment because of the degradation caused by sin. That leaves the mind, spirit and our soul, which is everlasting, but still separated from G-d. Keep in mind, spirit and your soul is everlasting whether you spend it with G-d or away from G-d.

G-ds Law also says there must be atonement for sin.
Atonement or forgiveness is required for the redemption of your mind, spirit, and your soul. Atonement comes by the shedding of innocent blood, a sacrifice for your sin. The problem arises since there are no innocent or sinless creatures on the planet earth.

G-d provided the blood sacrifice.
Through out the bible, there are times where G-d manifested himself in the flesh. These appearances of the Angel of G-d can best be described as G-d in his physical body, 100% man but 100% G-d. This allowed G-d to physically visit his creation without actually being in the presence of sinful man. I should differentiate, at this time, the differences between the Angel of G-d and angels of G-d. As previously mentioned, the Angel of G-d was the physical manifestation of G-d himself, where the angels of G-d were the messengers of G-d. At one time, approximately 2000 years ago, G-d sent the Angel of G-d into the world to live a sinless life and be the blood sacrifice for the sins of all mankind. The name of the Angel of G-d is Yeshua Ha Mashiach, known as Jesus Christ.

G-d loves us all.
The first thing usually asked is, “Why doesn’t G-d wipe us off the face of the map and start over?” He could have and in all rights probably should have, but G-d loves his creation and wants all his creation to love him back. We were made for fellowship and worship. Would you have your child shot because he disobeyed you? No! Wouldn’t you give your life for the life of your child. Yes! In the same way, G-d didn’t wipe man from existence but gave his physical life for you to be back with him.

Yeshua or Jesus paid the price of atonement.
Because man brought sin into the world, the sacrifice had to be a man. Because G-d is the only sinless being, the sacrifice had to be G-d. There was no other way. Yeshua or Jesus was both the son of man and the son of G-d. He freely gave his life so our everlasting souls may have forgiveness from and have eternal fellowship with G-d. Without this sacrifice, our sins dictate that our eternal souls would be eternally separated from G-d . .However, the shedding of blood and the sacrifice of the body of the Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus Christ, our everlasting souls and the bodies have eternal life with G-d.

Salvation is having faith that this is all true.Contrary to what you have probably heard in church, belief is not enough. You actions must reflect that your life is totally dependent on the facts laid out here. Two words must drive your life…Trust and Obey. Trust in G-d and Obey to show that trust.


  1. I was raised proclaiming the Shma. Therefore since I accepted the fact that Y'shua was the Messiah, the concept of the trinity has always bothered me but I don't know if I'm ready to say that the concept is bogus. It is in the G-Ds word.

  2. Greetings Mess-Jew

    You were rightly raised proclaiming the Sh'ma!
    Y'shua the Messiah was raised in the very same manner
    , like every Jew of his time.
    He affirmed this creed in Mark 12.28ff as the greatest commandment before a scribe!
    Note the scribe's response:

    (Mark 12:32) And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

    Obviously then, neither Y'shua nor the scribe were trinitarian!
    So the trinity is indeed bogus!
    It is not in G-D's word;
    and neither was it taught by Y'shua nor his disciples.
    Rather, the Messiah identified the Father
    as the only true G-D.
    [John 17.3]

    And the early church likewise followed their master:

    (1 Cor 8:4) ... that there is none other God but one.
    (1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, ...

    Therefore, to both Mess-Jew & No Doubt;
    On the subject of the Trinity,
    I recommend this video:
    The Human Jesus

    Take a couple of hours to watch it; and prayerfully it will aid you to reconsider "The Trinity"

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor

  3. Shalom to both Mess-Jew and Adam Pastor,

    First of all, thank you both for your comments. I believe that G-d will use our postings and comments to further his kingdom. B'ruch Attah Adonai Elehenu.

    I understand how uncomfortable it is to go against the traditional teachings of todays church, especially when everyone is put off when you have the audacity to challenge them with the truth. However, I firmly believe you will be blessed if you continue to believe and confirm that Adonai is one.

    Adam Pastor,

    Thanks again for your input. I watched the video and I have a couple questions. If Yeshua was not a physical manifestation of God, then how do we reconcile John chapter one where it clearly says that Yeshus is G-d? Also, in Matthew chapter four where Satan was tempting Yeshua and the Messiah responds with, "It is written, thou shall not tempt the Lord thy G-d." Wasn't he referencing himself?

    Once again, I thank you for your comments. I appreciate you my brother.

  4. Greetings No Doubt

    Thanks very much for watching the video.

    John was a monotheistic Jew who therefore believed in solely ONE G-D, YHWH, as does Yeshua is Lord & Master.

    Hence he records Yeshua identifying his Father
    as the only true G-D and the only G-D
    [John 17.3; 5.44]

    He also recorded Yeshua saying:
    (John 20:17) ... I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    Then John gives us the very reason why he wrote his Gospel:
    (John 20:31) But these are written, that ye might believe that
    Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    So John wrote his Gospel, so that we, his readers, would believe his account and believe that:
    Yeshua is the Messiah, the Son of G-D,
    i.e. the Son of YHWH

    So John does not call Yeshua, Almighty G-D, and especially not in John Chapter 1.

    John 1.14 shows that Yeshua is G-D's word made flesh;
    Yeshua is what the word of G-D became!

    G-D spoke all things into creation, G-D spoke and it was done! Compare Psalm 33.6,9.
    Therefore in the fulness of time [Gal 4.4], G-D's word became flesh resulting in the person of
    Yeshua of Nazareth the Messiah.

    For more info concerning John 1 and
    the word of G-D please see
    Concerning John 1:1

    On Yeshua being called G-d at all, please see:
    Jesus is God

    As for Matthew Chapter 4, in all due respect, you have missed the point of Matthew 4.5-7.
    Yeshua was not referring to himself, he was referring to G-D his Father.
    The "LORD thy G-D" is the ONE G-D, the Father!

    Yeshua was quoting the Scriptures
    i.e. Deut 6.16.

    Satan was tempting Yeshua to jump from the pinnacle in order to force the hand of G-D to save Yeshua, His Son, from hitting the ground/rocks; according to Satan's understanding of
    Psalm 91.11-12.

    In other words, Satan was tempting Yeshua by using G-D's words, to jump, and put G-D to the test in order to save him!!
    Yeshua refuted this temptation by quoting
    Deut 6.16, you shall not put YHWH your G-D to the test!!

    The "LORD thy G-D" is the G-D and Father
    of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah.

    [John 20.17, Rom 15.6, 2 Cor 11.31,
    Eph 1.3,17; Col 1.3, 1 Pet 1.3]
    That's who Yeshua was referring to!!

    Besides, if Yeshua were Almighty G-D,
    the temptations and Satan's attempt to tempt Yeshua would be meaningless!!!
    Almighty G-D cannot be tempted!!!
    (James 1:13) Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God:
    for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

    Hence another clear indicator that Yeshua the Messiah, the Son of G-D, is not Almighty G-D.

    Satan was tempting the Son of G-D
    Not Almighty G-D!!

    No Doubt,
    I hope this helps

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor

  5. It's not hat I would have a hard time throwing out what I have been taught over the years. But I definitely would not give up on the Trinity without clear indication from God Himself that it does not exist.

    Sure, the word "Trinity" is not in the scripture, but the concept is. God may manifest Himself in many ways but there are three personss He has identified Himslef with. Yes, He came as the Angel of the Lord, but that is Christ before He came as man. His time to be savior had not come yet. He could not come in the flesh at the time, so He was the Angel of the Lord, THEE Messenger of God the Father.

    Jesus claimed to be God, "I and the Father are one", "I am", "If you have seen me you have seen the Father".

    In John, as No Doubt has said, The Word became flesh. But what was the Word? The Word was with God and the Word was God. Does that mean the Word makes it a Quadrinity? No, the Word is God manifested into Holy Scriptures to speak to us but it is not a person of Elohim. Christ is manifested in truth and love, but these are persons of God.

    How is the Holy Spirit God? The Holy Spirit was sent from God. He is also perfect. If He is sent from God and perfect then He has to be God because nothing, not evgen Angels, are perfect, except for God.

    Plus, Mary became pregnant by the Holy Spirit. And if Christ is the son of God then the Holy Spirit must be God. Because Christ would be the son of the Holy Spirit only. But He is not. Otherwise Christ is a figment of our imagination. (if a=b and b=c then a=c)

    So in all God is multi-dimensional, i.e., beyond time and space (for his purpose) and multi-manifested, i.e., The way, truth and life, gate, Angel, Man(for our purpose) but has Three Persons as His identity for purpose of perfection.

  6. Boy do I have typos...One was supposed to say "Christ is manifested in truth and love, but these are NOT persons of God."

  7. Gentlemen,

    Thank you for this civil discussion.

    The main point of the original post is that the trinty concept points to and is taught by the church as G-d existing-as three distinct personalities, which is not true. This not the G-d of the Bible. The concept of the trinity limits a limitless G-d. I think you are correct in your assertions, you even went beyond the trinity in your my question is... Why get rid of the word trinity when doesn't describe your stance?

    Adam Pastor,

    You make great points but asserting that Yeshua was 100% man has an extreme flaw in it. If he was only a man, then wouldn't that make his sacrifice as the unblemished lamb of G-d invalid as all mankind has sinned and fallen short of the glory of G-d?

    If you answer is no, then wouldn't that reveal an error in G-ds word? Rom 3:23

    Finally, the plurality or multi-dimensionality of G-d does not invalidate the Sh'ma. In fact, Elohim can be found over 2200 times in the Tanakh. As you probably know, Elohim is define in many non=biblical sources as meaning G-ds, a plural intensive - singular meaning noun. Even in Isaiah 7:14, it references that the Messiah would be named Immanuel, Elohim is with us, or resides or accompany us.

    Thanks again to all who comments here. It is these types of discussions, which are used by G-d to convey his truth to others. Steel sharpens steel my brothers. I look forward to hearing from you in the days to come. Again, thanks.

  8. It appears that I make mistakes also.


    The question is:

    Why not get rid of the word trinity when doesn't describe your actual stance?

  9. I don't think it goes against my stance. I believe God has three distinct persons. I don't think it limits Him at all. I think He is multi-faceted, multi-dimensional, omni-potent, omni-present, omniscient, beyond time and space as you put it. I don't think the concept of a Trinity is anti-Biblical. He came as a cloud and fire but that doesn't mean that's another person of God, it was His way of communicating. There are only three beings of name that have been described as God Himself. I see nicknames (The Way, The Truth), descriptive names (Adonai Jireh), alternate names (Elohim, Yahweh), but these are still of three persons. It doesn't change who they are.

    From what I have read, no where does it say that any other "person" is called God. God the Father, Christ the Son, Ruach HaKodesh our guide. I don't remember ever seeing anything desrcibed as Immanuel the Brother, or Nissi the Grandpa. I wish you would give more detail on how many you can come up with.

    Elohim is plural, yes, but only because God is of more than one person. It does not mean Gods, it means God is multi. He is everything. God is One.

  10. Greetings No Doubt

    What you call an extreme flaw is exactly what the Scriptures assert ... that Yeshua had to be a man!!

    Christ could be reckoned as a pure and spotless lamb because he was begotten by the power of G-D,
    a sinless human!

    (Rom 5:15) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
    (Rom 5:17) For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
    (Rom 5:19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
    (1 Cor 15:21) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

    One "man's" disobedience caused the dire situation we are in.
    G-D promised another 'man' whereby through this "man's" obedience many will be made righteous.
    So besides the obvious fact that Almighty G-D cannot die; the Bible makes it clear that it would be by man that righteousness/resurrection/life would come about.

    Now think about it. If Yeshua was G-D, would Paul really be comparing Adam with G-D!?!?
    [Isa 40.18, 46.5]

    No! Rather, G-D provided us with a Lamb.
    That Lamb was His own virginally begotten, sinless, human Son, Yeshua of Nazareth.
    Yeshua is truly the Lamb of G-D, the Lamb which the ONE G-D provided for the sin of the world.
    The ONE G-D, begat him by the power of His holy spirit in the womb of Mary. So, Yeshua, the ONE G-D's Son was begotten and born into the world, as a sinless human being. He, therefore, was the perfect sacrifice, that the ONE G-D provided for us!

    Where the man Adam disobeyed, the last Adam, the man Yeshua obeyed; and through his awesome obedience and sacrifice, G-D has provided righteousness for us all.
    G-D is not a man! Neither the son of man!
    [Num 23.19, 1 Sam. 15.29, Job 9.32, Hosea 11.9]

    Besides, Yeshua did no sin
    [1 Pet 2.22, 2 Cor 5.21, 1 John 3.5],
    so Roms 3.23 definitely doesn't apply to him!

    Yeshua was as sinless as Adam was when he was created (Remember, there was nothing wrong/sinful with Adam before he took the fruit!).
    Hence Yeshua is the "Last" Adam.
    The major difference being when Adam was tempted, he succumbed.
    When Yeshua was tempted, he resisted and rather, obeyed G-D; hence his awesome obedience and sacrifice, through which we may be saved.

    See also:

    The man Christ Jesus, GOD's perfect sacrifice

    How does Christ’s Sacrifice Work to Remove Sin?

    Now, the aforementioned video adequately explains the meaning of the Hebrew word, elohim.
    Although elohim can be literally translated "Gods";
    it is never done so or means such, in reference to Almighty G-D!
    It is always singular in reference to G-D our Creator.

    For more info on the true meaning of the word elohim,
    please see:
    Elohim and Echad

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor
    The Human Jesus

  11. Adam Pastor,

    Please correct me if am wrong. I do not want to put words into your mouth. Are you saying Christ isn't God even today? Was He man here on earth and then becomes God in Heaven or is still just another human being like Paul? If that is the case then I on a personal basis would have to step back and rethink some things. If He is not God now, then worshiping Him is a sin. The wise men worshiped Him. But also if He was not God on earth then why would demons listen to Him? How could He call angels to His need? How would He have authority over them? Why are we told to follow His commands? If He was just a man then we gave man authority over us.

    Paul refers to Christ as a man because of the flesh He wore while He was here on the earth. he had all the abilities to do what man had done for He lowered himself and took on our form to prove what He intended for us. Yet, He had all the authority given to Him as well.

    Now I will admit, I did not watch the videos but for right now I see reason to do so. I see way toomuch evidence that Christ was God. And because Christ to me has always been 100% man AND 100% God at the same time.

    I respect your opinion. I just can not follow your path of reasoning.

  12. Greetings Gozreht

    There is always been solely ONE GOD, from all eternity to eternity,
    and that is GOD, the Father.
    He alone is Almighty GOD.

    (1 Cor 8:4) ... that there is none other God but one.
    (1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, ...

    (John 17:3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, ...

    Simply put:
    Our Heavenly Father has NO Equals.
    He alone is Almighty GOD!

    So Christ is not, never has been & never will be Almighty GOD!!

    Therefore concerning the worship of Christ:
    Indeed worship & due homage/reverence/obeisance ought to be rendered to him, because Jesus is the Lord Messiah, the Son of the ONE GOD.

    And this is exactly what the wise men came to do. Let's look again at that incident.
    (Mat 2:2) Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

    They weren't look for "GOD!"
    They were looking for one who was prophesied to be born King of the Jews i.e. the Messiah.
    Hence (Mat 2:4-6) And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. 5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda:
    for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

    Of course the prophecy is taken from Micah 5:2ff. If one then reads Micah 5 and simply read onwards from verse 2, one will read:
    (Micah 5:4) And he shall stand and feed in the strength of YAHWEH, in the majesty of the name of YAHWEH his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.

    Even Micah's prophecy clearly shows that this prophesied "Governor/Ruler" is not GOD
    but rather has "a GOD" namely YAHWEH, the ONE GOD!

    Therefore, can Jesus the Messiah, be scripturally worshiped?
    Absolutely YES! But not as Almighty GOD
    but rather as the Lord Messiah, the King of Israel, the Son of the Living GOD.

    Men are indeed worshiped in Scripture which does
    not infringe on the WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY GOD!!
    This kind of civil worship is no sin,
    e.g. (1 Chr 29:20) And David said to all the congregation, Now bless YAHWEH your God. And all the congregation blessed YAHWEH God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads,
    and worshipped YAHWEH, and the king.

    For more info on this kind of worship please see:

    The Worship of Christ

    Defining the Term "Worship"

    Is Jesus Christ a human being? YES!

    (1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,
    the man Christ Jesus;

    Like any man today?? NO!!
    Rather, Jesus is the firstfruits of the dead
    [1 Cor 15.20, Col 1.18];
    he is therefore now: a glorified, immortalized, human being, who has been exalted by the ONE GOD, and made Lord of all
    [Acts 2.36, 10.36],
    even over the angels
    [1 Pet 3.22];
    yet he is subject to his GOD, the ONE GOD, YAHWEH
    (esp. see 1 Cor 15.27-28).

    Why did demons listen to Jesus?
    (Luke 4:41) And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying,
    Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

    Why did Jesus have authority?
    Because the ONE GOD, his Father, gave him such authority
    e.g. (Mat 28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power [AUTHORITY] is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    The ONE GOD gave the man Jesus of Nazareth
    authority over us!
    (John 17:1-3) These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
    2 As thou hast given him power [AUTHORITY] over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
    3 And this is life eternal,
    that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    (John 5:26-27) For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
    27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

    So yes, Gozreht, it is indeed time to step back and rethink some things, if not all things. By all means, please view video, and prayerfully it will aids us in the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord.

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor
    The Human Jesus

  13. Adam,

    I understand what you are saying now. I actually can see this path of reasoning. So to help me more, please answer these, and keep in mind none of this is sarcastic. I actually do want to hear who, what, why, when, and how kind of things.

    Immanuel? Why was he to be called God with us?
    Should we worship Christ as we do God the Father, now that He has ascended?

    Did He conquer death or was He raised by the Father only?

    Was Jesus ever eternal such as the Father?

    Who was THE ANGEL of the LORD?

    How could Jesus forgive sins like God the Father if he wasn't God?

    To be quite honest though, one thing I would have a hard time with in my walk is the fact that God says He loves me yet only sent someone to help me. I would rather have a God who came himself to help me. If Jesus was just a man and never was or is or ever will be God then him dying for me was just a great gesture like it would be with any other human. This to me makes Jesus really no better than any other man. It could have been me He chose to die for all mankind.

    My point of view is He told His creation how to live life. But being human bound by the physics of the universe we found it apparently too difficult to do. But insisted it could be done, so He gave us laws. When we disobeyed them He basically said "let me show you how it's done". He took a piece of Himself, one-third of the trinity and placed it in human form. Completely capable of sinning but at the same time not bound by physics. He performed miracles no one could do. He loved like no other. At His name demons shrieked. Man did not kill him in the physical sense. He gave His life up. He commanded His own spirit to leave this world.

    Again, I see how some of this makes sense, but there a lot of holes here. He said He was God. Wouldn't that be blasphemy? Help me my friend. I always want to learn.

  14. Immanuel? Why was he to be called God with us?

    Because through him, Almighty GOD was indeed with us,
    e.g. (Luke 7:16) And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying,
    That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.

    The people understood that Jesus was indeed a mighty prophet, hence, GOD was with him; if GOD was with him, GOD had indeed visited His people Israel via this great prophet.

    (Acts 10:38) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
    for God was with him.

    So, GOD with Christ. Christ with Israel, hence GOD with us via Jesus His Son!

    Should we worship Christ as we do God the Father, now that He has ascended?

    Of course, we ought to pay homage to Christ our Lord and Savior
    See for example, Rev 5.12-13.
    And when Jesus returns to inaugurate GOD's Kingdom, the very angels will worship him.
    Heb 1.6

    So we worship Almighty GOD AS GOD!
    And we worship and pay homage to His Son, AS our Lord & Savior.

    Did He conquer death or was He raised by the Father only?

    BOTH. That is, it is via the resurrection that he conquered death.
    How was he resurrected? GOD Almighty raised him from the dead. Over 20 NT verses clearly state that GOD Almighty raised him from the dead.
    If GOD never raised him from the dead, Jesus would still be dead!!
    (1 Cor 15:15) Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

    Was Jesus ever eternal such as the Father?

    NO! Jesus had a beginning, like every human being. Only GOD has no beginning. GOD alone is eternal. The Father alone is GOD.

    (Mat 1:18) Now the birth [Gk. genesis] of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

    genesis means beginning! Jesus' existence began in the womb of his mother.

    Who was THE ANGEL of the LORD?

    Just that! An angel of YAHWEH. And Jesus Christ is definitely no angelic being.
    He is a human being!

    (Heb 1:5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
    (Heb 1:13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

    See also Matt 1.20,24; 2.13,29;28.2;Luke 2:9; and ask yourself, Who was THE ANGEL of the LORD?

    How could Jesus forgive sins like God the Father if he wasn't God?

    He had GOD-given authority to do so. Jesus did nothing of himself!
    Please see: Jesus forgave sins

    The love of GOD is prefigured in Abraham's attempted sacrifice of his only-begotten son Isaac [Heb 11.17] Look at GOD's reaction:
    Gen 22.12,16,17.

    How Abraham would have gladly died in the stead of his son, however, GOD commanded him to sacrifice his son whom he loved (22:2)

    How much more Almighty GOD, the Father, who loves His Son???
    Almighty GOD cannot die! That is what IMMORTAL means!
    [1 Tim 6.16]

    Rather, for our salvation, for the salvation of mankind, GOD Almighty provided us with a Lamb.
    That Lamb was His only-begotten Son whom He loves, His well-beloved Son. Hence:
    (John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    (Rom 8:32) He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

    Oh BTW, I am making a bold assumption:
    Gozreht, You are not without sin!
    So, you could not be a suitable lamb for mankind.

    You need to reread the Scriptures with in mind, the awesome and great sacrifice, that the man Jesus of Nazareth made for us all. He who knew no sin, laid down his life for us! [2 Cor 5.21]
    Even the awesome love of GOD who allowed His Son, who did no wrong, to be delivered into wicked hands, for our salvation.

    Surely, after all that Jesus had done for us, is it not fitting, that GOD his Father, would raise him from the dead, glorify him, and so highly exalt him, even to make him, Lord of all?
    So that:
    (Phil 2:11) And that every tongue should confess
    that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    It was not just a 'great' gesture what GOD and Christ, Father and Son, both done for us. You need to rethink!
    The fact is, Christ died for us!!
    And it is not about what we think would be a suitable sacrifice for us.
    Rather it is about what Almighty GOD has done for us through His Son.
    The onus is on us to accept what GOD has done.
    Isn't GOD not free to chose what ever means He sees fit to save us?
    Therefore, if He chose to do so via
    His only-begotten human Son, so be it!!
    We ought to be grateful and accept!!

    He took a piece of Himself, one-third of the trinity and placed it in human form.

    There is no such thing as a trinity.

    I generally don't answer questions to after someone has watched the video.
    I made an exception for you, Gozreht! :-)

    So before I comment any further, please watch the video. That would also save me reiterating any points which I know are also in the video.
    You will then see why I said there is no such thing as a trinity.
    Then let's continue from there.

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor
    The Human Jesus

  15. Oh BTW
    Jesus never ever said he was GOD! NEVER!

    Rather he said he was
    "the Son of GOD"
    e.g. John 10.36, 9.35-37, etc.

  16. I was always under the impression that the writings of the apostles, although written by man, were flawless due to the instruction of the Holy Spirit. Here are some of the apostles’ words.

    2 Peter 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours"

    There is no separation or distinction between the two in his writing.

    Titus 2:13 says "while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" Again, there is no distinction.

    John 20, "My Lord and my God" , this was Thomas when he was speaking to Christ. And Christ did not rebuke him or deny it. Wouldn't that be blasphemous?

    1 Timothy 3:16 says that "God was manifest in the flesh." Manifest means without a doubt, clearly.

    John 3:10 "I and the Father are one" He never called himself God?

    1 John 5:7...the Trinity...”For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE." The word is Christ.

    Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over that which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. God purchased with his own blood…Christ’s.

    Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."
    John 14:8-9 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.”
    Colossians 1:13-19 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son, In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins, who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell

    I am sorry my friend, there is too much evidence that our Savior is our God as well. Too say such things that would go against this is proably not the wise thing to do. I wish you well mt friend. May the love of Christ our God and Savior bless you.

  17. The majority of the verses you posted are all explained in the video.

    I made an effort to answer your questions.
    The very least that you could do is watch the video!
    Do you not agree?

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor
    The Human Jesus

  18. But it's an hour long. :) I will try to when I have some free time.

  19. Mess-Jew,

    I felt a little uneasy posting your last comment, could you please write me at

    No Doubt

  20. I'm sorry, I'm so use to writting just No Doubt

    My gmail is

    No Doubt

  21. Okay, I tried to watch the video but I got through about 20 minutes before I simply lost interest for a couple of reasons:
    1. Two of the scholar sthat are picked to do some of the explainings are Jewish Rabbis. Now, don't get me wrong and do not put words into my mouth. I think we need our Jewish heritage and I always go back to Hebrew (not Greek) to get meanings of words. And I would love to be a Messianic Jew if I could myself. But you can not use Rabbis who stay firm to Judaism as a scholar, just for the simple fact that Judaism denies Christ as the Messiah. Of course they're going to deny it. Christ even told them they wouldn't understand.
    2. I didn't care for those who were "stopped on the street" to give their explanation of the trinity. Most of it seemed staged and they were made out to look foolish since they couldn't back up their beliefs. Well I did and there is no response.
    3. I can not take what Arius has said to be true. I am not a follower of Arianism.

    And the part about echad- our God is one. The Trinity does not dispute that or contradict that. Here is a small analogy, and maybe your video explains this too but for now I can't watch anymore. If you take a huge ice cube and put it in a pot with a lid on the stove. Turn the stove on. In a couple of minutes open the lid. What do you see? You see steam at first. You look down and you see the ice cube in the middle of water. Now I just gave you three different names: ice, steam and water. They are different aren't they? No they are not. They are still H20. Three forms. Three different identities and still from the same original ice cube. Now how hard is that to understand that God is One, still could mean Trinity?

    Elohim! The "im" means plural. The "el" means God. This is the first name of God we get in scripture. God is plural yet God is One! It's seriously not that difficult of a concept. God the father sent a piece of himself into human form to interact with His creation and delivered himself into the hands of man to be the atoning sacrifice.

    I am sorry but that burden of proof is on the unitarian not the trinitarian. So I will watch more of the video but until then the Trinitarian rests.

  22. I need help with #7... (G-d is Holy.
    God is completely and utterly perfect. In as such, G-d cannot exist in the same dimension where disobedience, sin, is present).

    I am confused for two reasons...
    1) God desires a personal relationship with us. How can this be accomplished without existing in the dimension that we live in?

    2) I believe that Jesus is God. He spent time with us in our dimension amongst the sin and disobedience.